Thursday, September 5, 2013

Lord, Open the Eyes of My Heart!

In 2012, I began to study church doctrine more closely. Whether it was doctrines like the Lorenzo Snow Couplet, the Adam-God doctrine, The King Follet Discourse, and doctrines discussing the nature of God to name a few. The more I read, the more confused I got. Thoughts became questions, questions became doubt and up until a few months ago, I was dealing with these questions privately. Since bringing my questions out of the cellar of my brain, I have been met with various responses, various reactions and little answers. I am blessed in the friends that have been supportive in my quest, no matter the religion or lack of religion they subscribe to. It all boils down to one question for me: Is Mormonism true? Is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints the true Christian church? Having been a devout member for seven years, this is a rather disturbing pickle to be in. A couple of days ago, I shared my concerns on Facebook (for better or worse)  and was asked to share my questions and resources. I am doing it for two reasons: One, because I genuinely, truly, sincerely seeking answers to these exceedingly fundamental questions. Two, because I've been accused of using Anti-Mormon Literature. I wish to show that all of my resources are indeed teachings and literature made by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

I do want to make one thing quite plain: This is NOT an attempt to create a fight! This is a 24 year old's quest for knowledge and understanding. Please feel free to comment on this post. And without further ado, I present the questions:

·         If it's true that “God will never give [us] personal revelation that contradicts what has already been revealed in the scriptures” (Preparing for Exaltation: Teacher's Manual, page 85), and that personal revelation should never be accepted when it conflicts with “known facts, proven truths, or good common sense” (Doctrines and Covenants: Student Manual, Religion 324 and 325, page 416), why do so many members of our church discourage using scripture and other sure truths as a way to test our testimonies to make sure that they're from God?  Didn't Joseph Smith warn us, “Some revelations are of God: some revelations are of man: and some revelations are of the devil” (quoted by Francis M. Gibbons, sermon on 6 October 1991, in Conference Report, page 109)? 
·         The scriptures speak of Elohim and Jehovah.  Either Elohim and Jehovah are the same God, or they are different Gods.  Current Church teaching is that our Heavenly Father is Elohim, and that Jesus Christ his Son is “the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament, the Messiah of the New” (“The Living Christ: The Testimony of the Twelve Apostles”, First Presidency statement from January 2000).  But there are sections of scripture where the Father is addressed as Jehovah.  For instance, the LDS Bible Dictionary agrees that, in the King James Version, 'LORD' in all-caps represents the name 'Jehovah'.  In Psalm 110:1, it therefore reads, “The LORD [i.e., Jehovah] said to my lord, Sit thou at my right hand”.  The New Testament repeatedly identifies the 'LORD' with the Father and the 'my lord' as Jesus (Mark 12:36; 14:62; Acts 2:34-35; Hebrews 1:13).  If Jesus Christ is the God Jehovah, and if the Father is a separate God above Jehovah, then why does Psalm 110:1 present the Father as Jehovah?  Or, if both are somehow rightly called Jehovah, then since Deuteronomy 6:4 (the central tenet of the Jewish faith, and the basis for what Jesus called the Greatest Commandment in Mark 12:29-30) says that there is only one God who is Jehovah, how does that not mean that the Father and the Son are only one God, just like the other churches teach (the doctrine of the Trinity: three persons who are only one God) but our church rejects?
·         If the Godhead consists of “three Gods” or “three separate Gods” (as taught by Joseph Smith, sermon on 16 June 1844 quoted in TPC: Joseph Smith, page 42; Spencer W. Kimball, sermon on 5 April 1964, in April 1964 Conference Report, page 94; Boyd K. Packer, sermon on 7 October 1984, in October 1984 Conference Report, page 84), then why does God himself so frequently say that “there is no else, there is no God beside me” (Isaiah 45:5), that he is “God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else” (Deuteronomy 4:39)?  Why does he say things like, “I am the first, and I am the last; beside me there is no god.  …  Is there a god beside me?  Yea, there is no god; I know not any” (Isaiah 44:6, 8)? 
·         If Heavenly Father is a man who had to become God (as taught by Joseph Smith, sermon on 7 April 1844; Lorenzo Snow, sermon on 11 October 1857, as quoted in TPC: Lorenzo Snow, page 85; L. Tom Perry, talk on 20 August 2002 at BYU; and various church manuals [e.g., Achieving a Celestial Marriage (1976), page 4]), and who has had Gods and Fathers above him (as taught by Joseph Smith, sermon on 16 June 1844; Orson Pratt, The Seer, page 132; Brigham Young, sermon on 8 October 1854 at General Conference; Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation 2:47 and quoted in the 1984 priesthood manual, page 152), then why does God himself say in the scriptures that “before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me” (Isaiah 43:10-11), and that he is the “Most High God” (Genesis 14:22)? 
·         The scriptures teach that no one except for Jehovah was involved in the creation of the world, because he says, “I am the LORD [i.e., Jehovah] that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself” (Isaiah 44:24).  But if that's true, why do church manuals still teach – quoting Elder Bruce R. McConkie – that Jehovah was “aided in the creation of this earth by 'many of the noble and great' spirit children of the Father” who “played a part in the great creative enterprise” (The Pearl of Great Price: Student Manual, Religion 327, page 38)? 
·         If Brigham Young was a prophet of God, then when he taught the church publicly, he should have been listened to.  At General Conference, he taught that Adam was God the Father, saying that Adam is “our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do” (Brigham Young, sermon on 9 April 1852, in Millennial Star 15:769), claiming later that he received this teaching as one that “God revealed to me – namely that Adam is our father and God” (Brigham Young, sermon on 8 June 1873, in Deseret News 22:308), and he even inserted this teaching into the endowment ceremony in referring to Jesus Christ as “Father Adam's first begotten in the spirit world”, in that Adam had “come in the spirit to Mary and she conceived” (see L. John Nuttall, journal entry for 7 February 1877, BYU Special Collections).  Because of this teaching, many others in the Church embraced it in those days – but in more recent times, the Church has rejected it, with apostles numbering it as a 'deadly heresy' that is “contrary to the whole plan of salvation” (Bruce R. McConkie, talk on 1 June 1980 at BYU).  If Brigham Young was a prophet, then how can he spend decades teaching a 'deadly heresy' to the Church as a revelation from God and convincing many other church leaders to also teach it?  What more would he have had to do to not qualify as a true prophet of God? 
·         If the Apostle Paul refers to Adam as “one that sinned” (Romans 5:16), then why did Elder Dallin H. Oaks insist in General Conference that “the act that produced the Fall was not a sin” (see talk on 3 October 1993, in Conference Report, page 98), and why do manuals also insist that Adam's decision was “not a sin” (Preparing for Exaltation: Teacher's Manual, page 13)? 
·         If we all lived in an eternal pre-existence with our Heavenly Father as his spirit-children, and if we came to earth from our heavenly existence with him, then why does Jesus contrast himself with the rest of us by saying things like, “Ye are from beneath, I am from above” (John 8:23), and, “no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven” (John 3:13)? 
·         The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints claims to hold priesthood authority from God, divided into the Aaronic Priesthood and the Melchizedek Priesthood.  In the Old Testament, priests in the Aaronic Priesthood were ordained when they laid hands on animals that were slaughtered, and then had their own ears, thumbs, and toes smeared with animal blood (Exodus 29).  If Hebrews 5:4 (“no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron”) means that ordinations have to follow the same form as Aaron's ordination, why don't we cover our young men with animal blood to ordain them, as was Aaron?
·         Also, if the New Testament says that even Jesus was ineligible to hold the Aaronic Priesthood because he was not descended from Levi (Hebrews 7:14), why does our church ordain people to the Aaronic Priesthood without paying attention to their ancestry if even Jesus couldn't be ordained to it?
·         The New Testament also says that, when Jesus came to be our Melchizedek Priesthood-Holder, the old Aaronic Priesthood was “changed”, that is, “abrogated” or “abolished” (Hebrews 7:12 – the word metathesis “implies not merely change but abrogation” [according to F. F. Bruce, The Epistle to the Hebrews, page 164]).  It says that even the commandment that authorized the Aaronic Priesthood in the first place has undergone a “disannulling of the commandment”, because the Aaronic Priesthood is “weak” and “unprofitable” (Hebrews 7:18).  This is “an end to the Levitical priesthood” (Ken Schenck, Understanding the Book of Hebrews, page 78). Why does our church say that it has the Aaronic Priesthood when the New Testament says that the Aaronic Priesthood is now useless and abolished?
·         Why does our church say that its members hold the Melchizedek Priesthood when the only person in scripture who is described as a Melchizedek Priesthood-Holder is Jesus the Christ?  The New Testament draws a contrast between the many Aaronic Priesthood-Holders of the Old Covenant and the one and only Melchizedek Priesthood-Holder of the New Testament (Hebrews 7:23-24).  “While the priests of old are many, the new priest is, by implication, one” (Harold Attridge, The Epistle to the Hebrews, page 209).  In other words, it seems as if “the author is not arguing for a new line of priests according to the order of Melchizedek since the only priest he is interested in, Christ, exhausts that line” (Alan Mitchell, Hebrews, page 150).  If all this is true, why does our church say that its members hold the Melchizedek Priesthood? 
·         In the Old Testament, a temple was built in Jerusalem as a place to worship God through prayer and sacrifice.  There was only to be one place for concentrating this kind of worship (Deuteronomy 12:13-14; 16:15-16).  Later Jewish writers in the first-century said that “as God is one, his temple should also be one” (Philo, Special Laws 1.67), that “there ought also to be but one temple for one God” (Josephus, Against Apion 2.193).  For the Jews, the one and only temple “represented the unity of God and the unity of Israel” (Shaye Cohen, From the Maccabees to the Mishnah, page 101).  Jesus and Paul both build on this sort of logic (John 4:21-24; 17:11; Romans 3:30; Ephesians 4:4-6).  They seem to suppose that there can only be one true temple on the earth.  But the New Testament says that the true temple is not a building at all (John 4:21-24), but instead is Jesus Christ and his extension on earth, his body, his church (1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 2 Corinthians 6:16).  Why does the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints call some of its buildings “temples” if the only true temple of God is the church itself?
·         Why do we have to go through interviews to prove our 'worthiness' for a temple recommend, when Jesus gives the most praise to people who say that they are sinners and unworthy servants (Luke 17:10; 18:13)? 
·         If there was a universal apostasy that totally destroyed the church of Jesus Christ for nearly two thousand years after the deaths of the apostles, then what did Jesus mean when he promised his disciples that, when he built his church through them, “the gates of Hades would not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18)?  Doesn't this mean that “the church universal will never be extinguished” (Craig Blomberg, Matthew, page 254)?  Or, what does Jesus mean when he promises that he will be with his church on earth until the very end comes (Matthew 28:20), if he wasn't going to have a church on earth for most of that time?
·         If Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, and if he did receive a revelation to practice plural marriage (D&C 132), why did he break God's law in how he practiced plural marriage?  For one example, several pairs of his wives – such as Emily and Eliza Partridge, and Sarah and Maria Lawrence – were pairs of sisters; but Leviticus 18:18 forbids doing this while both women are living.  For another example, a number of his wives – such as Zina D. Huntington Jacobs (wife of Henry Jacobs), Sylvia Sessions Lyon (wife of Windsor Lyon), Sarah Kingsley Cleveland (wife of John Cleveland), Ruth Vose Sayers (wife of Edward Sayers), and others – were already married, which means that Joseph's involvement with them looks identical to adultery (forbidden in Leviticus 18:20) and also contrary to Joseph's own requirement that only virgins be taken as plural wives (D&C 132:61)  For another example, two of his wives – Patty Bartlett Sessions and Sylvia Portion Sessions Lyon – were a mother-and-daughter pair; but Leviticus 20:14 says that “if a man marries both a woman and her daughter, it is wickedness”, and the Old Testament punishment for that crime was to “be burned in fire”.  Why would Joseph practice plural marriage in a way that would make him guilty of such a serious sin? 
·         If the Doctrine and Covenants is correct in saying that David and Solomon did not sin in practicing plural marriage (D&C 132:38-39), why does the Book of Mormon saying that them having “many wives and concubines” was “abominable before me, saith the Lord” (Jacob 2:24)? 
·         Why does the revelation on plural marriage mention that Isaac was justified when he took “many wives and concubines” (D&C 132:1) when the Bible describes him as having only had one wife, Rebekah (Genesis 24:67)? 
·         Jesus lived on earth during a time when the Jews were debating whether plural marriage was really acceptable or not.  Some Jews favored it, others argued against it.  If plural marriage is what God planned for marriage to be, why didn't Jesus ever say so?  Why, when he argued for his vision of marriage in Matthew 19:4-5, did Jesus use and expand the Jewish argument against plural marriage (David Instone-Brewer, Divorce and Remarriage in the Bible, page 140)? 
·         Joseph Smith claimed that the Book of Abraham (now included in the Pearl of Great Price) was a translation from Egyptian papyri he had bought that were literally “the writings of Abraham”. The heading to the book still claims it to be “the Book of Abraham, written by his own hand, upon papyrus”.  But when the papyri were rediscovered, it was discovered that they date to around the earthly lifetime of Jesus (not the lifetime of Abraham), and that their actual translation (see, for instance, Ronald K. Ritner's translation in The Joseph Smith Egyptian Papyri: A Complete Edition) has no connection with the contents of the Book of Abraham.  If Joseph was empowered by God to translate ancient scripture into English, why did he claim that the Book of Abraham was a translation of Egyptian documents that actually turned out to be common funerary papyri? 
·         Joseph Smith also attempted to translate characters on six small plates found and brought to him in 1843, and Joseph told his private secretary that he had “translated a portion” and that “they contain the history of the person with whom they were found and he was a descendant of Ham through the loins of Pharaoh king of Egypt” (William Clayton, journal entry for 1 May 1843). Later on, one of the discoverers confessed to having forged these Kinderhook plates to trick Joseph.  When one of the original plates was rediscovered in the twentieth century, tests conclusively proved that they had been created in modern times.  Why did Joseph claim to be able to translate characters that were just meaningless symbols on forged plates?  If Joseph's 'translations' cannot be trusted with these plates, how can we trust that the Book of Mormon isn't a similar creative exercise without a basis in actual ancient records? 
·         If we sustain President Thomas S. Monson as a “prophet, seer, and revelator”, and if we sustain his counselors and the members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as the same thing, then why don't any of the fifteen ever report actual prophecies, visions, or revelations for the church as a whole? 
·         Given that language of 'meriting' or 'earning' God's blessings (salvation, exaltation, etc.) is almost non-existent in the New Testament, why does it show up so frequently in talks by General Authorities?  Or, if the concepts of 'meriting' and 'earning' are so crucial, why are they basically absent from the New Testament? 

·         If the Book of Mormon teaches us that we only receive the saving grace of God “after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23), and if it tells us that 'all we can do' includes keeping every one of God's commandments perfectly (1 Nephi 3:7), and if repentance is cancelled out whenever a sin is repeated (D&C 82:7), what hope is there?  Wouldn't it be more 'good news' if, like other churches teach, we are given celestial hope – and motivation to works (Ephesians 2:10) just by trusting Jesus and his atonement to take care of everything, “not of works” (Ephesians 2:9), as an act of pure grace from God, since “if by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace” (Romans 11:6)?  



  1. Kristyn,

    I read this a few weeks ago, and at first, I was going to try and come up with answers for your questions, but after a few moments of reading your questions, I realized that wasn’t going to work and that there probably aren’t answers to most of them. They are very good questions for sure, and I applaud you for having to commit yourself so thoroughly to your search.

    The LDS church does indeed have many flaws and weaknesses, but so do all faiths. If you are going to look so critically at every word that is written and every leader of the LDS church, I strongly encourage you do the same to other churches, including the church you have chosen. Go back and look at it’s origins, particularly the doctrines that were passed down to all protestants from the first and second councils of Nicaea. Look at the Christian churches that existed before that council, I find the study of those early churches absolutely fascinating. Look through the Bible itself, you will find many discrepancies there. No religion will hold up under true logical analysis, any atheist will tell you that.

    My faith doesn't come from whether or not that the Book of Mormon and the Bible are perfect books, but from the holy spirit. Good luck in your journey.

    1. "My faith doesn't come from whether or not that the Book of Mormon and the Bible are perfect books, but from the holy spirit. " WHAT? The LDS are taught the Book of Mormon is the "most correct of any book and man would get closer to God by its precepts than any other book on Earth! The Book of Mormon is the "keystone"/foundation of the LDS Religion! If the Boook of Mormon has flaws and discrepancies errors etc, thren It can NOT Be trusted nor is it the Most Correct of any book! Thus the foundation /keystone of the LDS Religion is on shaky ground!

  2. The grace of God by which I am saved also motivates me to good works, which can never save me. God bless you in your walk with Christ.

  3. Hi there. My name is Ashley. I found your site through a mutual acquaintance. I myself had was a member of the LDS church for a couple of years. I grew up with a full gospel background, but had a lot of instability in my home life. I struggled in my walk with the Lord. When I stumbled upon the LDS faith, I was drawn like a moth to light. It seemed like they had answers to my questions. The structure and family life made it seem like I had found the answers I'd been looking for. My only problem was I couldn't accept all their teachings. I was standing in the temple baptizing my dead ancestors in proxy and it finally hit me like a ton of bricks. There is nothing I could do here on earth that could affect the salvation of another. I left the church shortly after that. After leaving I still struggled. I was still left with unanswered questions. I would sit in church arguing in my head with the pastor preaching. It took a long time for everything to finally click. I can sit here and take every question you have and pick it apart. I'm not an expert of LDS scripture. I think I could weigh in on some of it I'm sure. I don't think that will matter though. What turned things around for me is focusing on the Father and having that one on one conversation with Him. My prayer for months..years and today is: Lord, renew in me a right spirit. Replace in me every wrong teaching I have accepted whether it be within the LDS faith or out with your truth. Lord I trust you in all things. Father give me blinders for what is not of You. When it was about He and I, everything else faded away. That's what it comes down to. Both sides can argue until they are blue in the face. I wont lie to you and tell you it was easy. It wasn't. It was a stronghold in my life for years. I had lists and lists of questions. Start with your relationship with him and everything else will follow. We learn things line upon line, precept upon precept. 1 Cor 1:18 says that the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. Jesus died so that sin would no longer separate Him from His children. We can come boldly into His thrown room and lay all of our fears our problems at his feet. That's what happened at the cross. He died so that we might have life, and have it more abundantly. I've been in the very place you are. All I can say is seek Him in all things. I want you to know I am praying for you. I pray Father that your guardian angels are camped about her. Lord protect her mind. Build in her a strong foundation that cannot be moved. Lord guide her steps in all things Lord. Reveal Yourself in a mighty way in her life. Father replace every false witness with truth Lord. Father I plead the blood of Jesus over her life. Your word is sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating even the dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Father I pray for the chains of bondage that have felt like a heavy burden, weighing her down to loose in the Name of Jesus. Every sorrow, fear, shame, confusion Lord it was washed away in your blood at the cross. Reveal your truths to her Lord. Place in her life strong and mighty warriors for You that will come along side her and just love on her. Father I place her at your feet. Thank you for the mighty work you are doing and are about to do in her life.
    Contact aaron if you would like to contact me.

  4. You have asked the right questions! The Bible has all the answers ! It is ALIVE andpowerfull and sharper than any two edge sword! Hebrews 4;12 May I suggest you look into the study called transitions The Mormon Migration from Religion to Relationship! Its really was helpful during our "transition" into the TRUTH! God Bless you my Sister in Christ!

  5. When I was getting ready to go on my LDS mission, I decided my farewell talk would be on Matthew 10, the part about Jesus sending his disciples out two-by-two. Seems only fitting, right? So I sat down and read the whole chapter. I got really confused around verse 34.

    34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
    35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
    36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
    37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

    I thought, hm, that seems to contradict just about everything I believe. Why would Jesus turn people against their families? So, I asked my Bishop. He told me, Joey, don't worry about this too much. This is a situation some members of the church do find themselves in, if their families don't believe in the church like they do. You don't have to worry about this since your whole family is LDS, but maybe some of the people you will convert on your mission will have to deal with this kind of rejection from their families.

    Fast forward three years later, I told my parents I was going to be baptized in a Baptist church and asked them if they would attend. They said no. A _huge_ argument broke out (this wasn't our first or last argument, but it was probably the worst one we ever had). After what seems like an hour of fighting, I had finally had enough and went up to my room (I was 22 and still living at home). I opened my Bible, not having any idea what I was really looking for, just fumbling through, but was so overcome by emotion that my head hit the pillow and huge sobs came out of me. For, I don't know, ten or twenty minutes, I was crying and praying, simultaneously feeling miserable but also at peace, real peace. When I was done, I looked back up at my Bible, and there it was, totally unintentionally, open to Matthew 10.

    You've made a bold step posting these questions online. I don't know what your family life is like right now, but I know what it is like to be at serious odds with the people you love most. I hope your family and friends can see how, even though you aren't pulling any punches with your questions, you really are trying to be as respectful and loving as possible. I can see that love myself very plainly in your questions.

    I commend you, though, for loving Christ more than you love your family. That's a hard road, but when you love Jesus it is the right road. I will pray for you to continue to have meekness in your boldness and continue to ask the tough questions of the people you love. I pray for your family (like I do for mine) that God might open their eyes to see the truth of salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

    Grace and peace!

    1. Praise God for your testimony Joey. Leaving is a tough road for many but the freedom in Christ is SO worth it.

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  7. Great questions. Many of your questions have fairly simple answers, some more complex, others I do not know. If you would like my commentary or anyone who reads this to discuss any question in particular. I would be happy to help where I can. I will even make a video for you if you like.
    The link below will send an email directly to me.

    1. It would be nice to see some of your answers on the blog.

  8. Any church that goes away from the pure true teaching of the Bible is going to lead you away from the truth of Christ. Any church that goes away from the Bible and instead involves supposed revelations from man will lead to confusion, pride and lies. The Bible is pretty black and white regarding man's fall from sin to the grace and atonement on the cross to bring us back to righteousness with God. If you don't believe in the truth and accuracy of the Bible then you don't believe in Jesus Christ. John 1:1. To make it work with a man-made religion like the LDS, you have to discount the truth, for the way of false religion cannot mesh with the truth of the Gospel. The LDS is not the first man-made religion to try to do this. Satan has used the same trick since the first lie in the Garden. Man does not need religion, but instead a relationship with God. There is only one way and that is through Christ...not works or ceremonies. John 14:6.

  9. here is a GREAT video

    Randy Gavin is a personal friend and I do believe the number goes to his personal cell phone. He was in deep with the mormon church, temple sealed/married and the Lord showed him the truth. you can find his testimony on youtube as well.

  10. Just read this tonight and these are great points, well thought out and well researched. Kudos.